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Brian Keating:
You know, recently came up that Joe Rogan was on my friend Jesse Michaels podcast.

James Altucher:
Wait, Joe Rogan was on Jesse Michael around?

James Altucher:
Live for 30 minutes podcast. And he’s been on my podcast a bunch of times. We know him very well. I didn’t know Joe Rogan was on Jesse’s podcast.

Brian Keating:
Yeah, he almost never goes. I mean, I’ve only seen him on Lex Friedman’s podcast. Jesse built this huge set. It looks like the inside of a. A kid’s bedroom on a spaceship with buttons and knobs and dials and it looks like they’re flying on a spaceship. Joe is the guest. Jesse was interviewing him. It’s gotten a million plus views in just the past four or five days.

Brian Keating:
But this, you know, it’s kind of the last straw. Joe Rogan going all in on the moon landing was fake. With most of the episodes about this disclosure that aliens are real.

Brian Keating:
Vague and weird and kind of, you know, opaque. It was vivid, it was very strange. And there was these very slender, tall, human like things that were talking to me. They weren’t gray, they were kind of like pinkish like us. They were, you know, like Caucasian looking creatures.

Brian Keating:
And, you know, the issue is that you like to see your friends do well, but then they, they have big platforms and they get lots of attention, they get big guests. And then they kind of spread this nonsense that comes from people like Bart Sibrel. I mean, if you look him up on Wikipedia, his entry is, you know, is conspiracy theorist. That’s what he’s known for. And so I thought, you know, the best way to kind of take on these guys. And by the way, he went on Joe Rogan before I did.

Brian Keating:
It’s fake.

Narrator:
So this thing is kind of just waving on its own. No one’s even touching it. And it looks like it’s waving in a breeze. It’s so it stops moving and then it starts moving again. Now again, there’s one footage that shows.

bret weinstein:
It even more so than that. Like an astronaut walking past it, creating the breeze. And then the flag blows without him touching it.

Narrator:
Yeah, I’d like to see that. So how much further does this go, Jamie?

Brian Keating:
Four minute video. Three minute video.

Narrator:
So scoot ahead. I think this is actually the one.

Brian Keating:
And then when I went on it, you know, I talked a lot about the moon and so forth, but then apparently there was another event. Forget exactly what it was, but maybe Bart went on again and he was talking all this nonsense. And I just wrote to Joe Rogan that I’d like to debate this guy Bart, because I think he’s discredits NASA America, you know, and just completely false. And his allegations are so simplistic and easy to refute that it’d be great to have a debate. So Joe asked Bart, apparently, to debate me. And Bart said, no, he doesn’t want to debate me because he claimed that I, as a scientist and not an astronaut, are really victims of NASA’s perpetrating this hoax. So he said this on Danny Jones’s podcast about me and just made all these blunders and fact and math and all sorts of physics errors and just logical errors. And so I’ve made a couple videos about him just because he is this, as I said, the super spreader who not only kind of discredits NASA, but as I said, you know, I’m a very patriotic person.

Brian Keating:
And to discredit the greatest accomplishment of humankind, which includes America, it’s a pretty big deal. Especially since I’ve worked for NASA in different capacities, including capacities that benefit people like Bard and you and anybody who’s ever gotten on a plane. NASA didn’t just send people to the moon and launch the Hubble Space Telescope. They work on aeronautics. So it has to do with aviation safety research into climate and hurricanes. They do a tremendous amount of research as well as scientific research, but even the astronomical can be outweighed by their contributions to the safety of every human being who’s ever gotten on a plane in America. And so that’s really kind of the disrespect that I see towards America, towards NASA that he cultivates. And then Joe just sucks it up because it gets, you know, attention to Joe.

Brian Keating:
And then this guy won’t debate me on Joe Rogan’s podcast. He just debated on this guy, Danny Jones’s podcast, a real astronaut who walked on the moon named Charlie Duke. Okay, sorry.

James Altucher:
Earth slowing you down. Okay, so the total distance of the moon is about 3,000 miles an hour. Seven times 70. That’s 210, 000 miles.

Brian Keating:
Okay, okay, so when.

James Altucher:
Well, so when you go through the Van Allen Bells, you’re going so fast, it’s just. You’re through.

Brian Keating:
How fast are you traveling? When you guys were going through the.

James Altucher:
Van Allen Bells, you know, escape velocity is about.

bret weinstein:
I thought you said it was three.

Brian Keating:
Let him talk. He said he was at 3, 000 when they were halfway. So he did confront him. But unfortunately, Charlie Duke is 90 years old. He’s never been on a podcast. He didn’t know, like, basic so it just made a little bit, put more questions that gave people more, you know, belief. And this guy barred conspiracy nonsense. So I came to the, you know, to the place of record to set it straight.

Brian Keating:
And I’ll release this on my channel. Maybe I’ll put in some more of the mathematics of it. And I think the best way to do that is actually go through Joe Rogan’s podcast with Jesse Michaels because they’re bringing up what they think is the strongest evidence that Bart has presented to them. So, you know, Joe is, does I say he’s never been afraid of a little hard work, so he’ll do some research. But in general, he’s just believe whatever is most controversial. And he’ll tend to not believe because Covid, you know, because Fauci and Collins lied to the American public, you know, in many ways, and, and tried to discredit people like my good friend Jay Bhattacharya, who I met at this Peter Thiel conference, who’s now the director of the National Institutes of health is Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who is a professor of medicine, economics and health research policy at Stanford University and the director of Stanford’s center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging. You really couldn’t design better, you know, Jay, if, if, if they had like a lab where they could design things, you know, for gain of function purposes because he, you know, tried to destroy him personally and professionally, that we can never trust any scientist again.

Brian Keating:
And because, you know, people like Eric Weinstein and others, you know, and Jesse argue that, oh, physics has stagnated and string theory is strangled physics. Now it’s like you can’t trust science whatsoever. So I’d like to go through what, what Joe claims are these like, incredibly dispositive, you know, facts about, about the moon landings that prove that they’re not real. If you don’t mind.

James Altucher:
Yeah, let’s, let’s do it. And by the way, part of this was inspired by Candace Owens going all in on Barth’s theories. And you know, my bone to pick with Matt Walsh.

Candace Owens:
We have a long running beef on the topic of NASA and moon landings because he thinks they happened. And listen, when the guys did it, it was, it was fake and gay. I’m sorry, Matt.

Brian Keating:
I’ve seen a few videos on Buzz Aldrin talking about how it didn’t happen. He says it all the time now. Kim Kardashian. So the reason I made the most recent video I made was, you know, inviting Kim Kardashian to Talk and to, you know, to educate her. You know, she lives here in California, not far from San Diego. I’m sure we could have a nice conversation about it. But she, you know, she didn’t respond, I don’t think, you know, again, she really.

James Altucher:
Well, we’ll get it.

Brian Keating:
But she actually had, you know, the NASA administrator, the acting NASA administrator did respond to her and, you know, got a lot of attention. I thought that was good. But anyway, the first thing that, that’s kind of, you know, a strike against the logical or reasoning skills that Jesse and Joe kind of go into is, you know, they talk about the press conference that the Apollo astronauts, you know, Aldrin, Armstrong and Collins had. Afterwards, you know, several days after landing, they’re inside this trailer, this bioprotective zone, and Joe’s saying that they look suspicious. So that’s like the first thing that they bring up is this press conference that are, like completely tired, they’ve come back. Nobody disputes, even Bart doesn’t dispute that they were somewhere off the planet Earth. Like, Bart believes that, for example, the astronauts left the Earth’s surface. He just doesn’t believe they got anywhere near the moon.

Brian Keating:
I’ll explain his slam dunk evidence, which is anything but in just a minute that he claims is the reason that they could not possibly do it. But the first piece of evidence is suggesting in no way that they didn’t at least go into space. Do you understand? Like, no one’s disputing even Bart, that they left the Earth’s surface.

James Altucher:
Okay, so for instance, you know, John Glenn, he thinks orbited the Earth.

Narrator:
Yes, 62, 49 years ago today, the day a rocket lifted both an American astronaut and the American spirit. That was the day John Glenn was hurtled into orbit around the Earth.

Brian Keating:
And he believes that the NASA, the Apollo 11, Armstrong, Neil Armstrong orbited the Earth and they were gone for a week because it took, you know, takes about two and a half, three days to get to the moon. Two and a half, three days to get back. And they were on the surface of the moon for like two or three hours. So it was almost a week or about a full week, you know, July 20, 1969, very famously. And so nobody disputes that they were in orbit. I claim there’s abundant evidence they went, they lived, they went on the moon, they traveled back and forth. There’s no doubt in my mind that that actually occurred. But let’s just give them the benefit of the doubt, Joe Rogan, that they actually didn’t go.

Brian Keating:
And the proof is they look Tired. They were speaking in sort of a script or something like that. But he wouldn’t dispute the fact, even Joe Rogan, that they were in orbit. Like, in other words, I don’t care where you were. You’ve seen the capsules. It’s smaller than this, you know, like two or three times the size of this office chair that I’m sitting on. So nobody could dispute that somebody would have the right to be three people crammed into a tiny little capsule for three to seven days, that they would be completely shy, introverted, you know, maybe disgruntled. They were also quarantined for, I think it was close to three weeks because they didn’t know if they’d have some moon germs.

Brian Keating:
Again, why would you quarantine people if they were just in low Earth orbit? And why would you do it for three weeks? Maybe you do it for a day. But somebody had to tell NASA, according to them, that they had to quarantine them for three weeks or else nobody would believe the ruse that they didn’t land on the moon, that it was all fake.

James Altucher:
So, yeah, that was my first instinct, is that, of course you quarantine because that makes more credibility that, oh, why would you quarantine if they weren’t on the moon?

Brian Keating:
Yeah, but why for three weeks? Why not for a day or two days? Like, no, it’s, oh, you only quarantine for two. For 48 hours. Not 30, 30, you know, not 72 hours. So that means that you didn’t go. It’s total. That to me is complete bogus, you know, reasoning. They, they were quarantined, they were in space. And so saying their, their character, the way that they acted was not really.

Brian Keating:
Can’t be used to prove as. I mean, it was the first kind of piece of evidence that Joe talks about, like, oh, look how suspicious it was. They look like they’re hiding something. Okay, so that’s like Joe Rogan, amateur psychologist, is like, now assessing the veracity of, you know, $100 billion project, you know, in today’s dollars. I think it’s very hard for Joe Rogan to read the vibes of this person and do this meta analysis of the psychology of astronauts, you know, who certainly went into space, even I think Joe would admit that. But, you know, when you compare anybody who comes back from space, even the most recent NASA astronauts that SpaceX rescued last year, I mean, they weren’t like, going to a rave after they landed. And so there’s just this, like, the mode that I think they’re trying to operate in is let’s sow doubt in the moon landing. For what reason? I don’t know, except that, you know, Joe takes on this countercultural, anti authoritarian.

Brian Keating:
You know, he’s a comedian. You know, his job is to satire and poke fun at institutions, but also hold them accountable. Like, he’s, you know, he is the most dominant force in media. I mean, he gets a lot more attention than cnn. And, you know, he’s the number one podcast in the world. So he is, you know, playing a role in journalism. He has interviewed, you know, the president of the United States and offered to interview the vice president of the former administration. So anyway, he has this huge role.

Brian Keating:
Yeah, I’ve been on the show. Yeah. And.

James Altucher:
But let me ask in terms of this, in terms of their evidence, they’re saying that. Are you presenting it? I haven’t seen Joe’s conversation with Bart. I feel like you’re presenting it. There must be something else, because that does seem like very weak evidence.

Brian Keating:
So this is not. I can skip ahead to just like, the main thrust of what Bart Sibro argues is the reason. I’ll do that in one second. But what I’m doing now is assessing Joe Rogan’s most recent appearance on Jesse Michael’s podcast.

Narrator:
Clearly, this can’t be the only planet that has life on it. Like, that doesn’t even make any sense. And then, you know, going to school and you learned out how many hundreds of billions of galaxies there are, you like, okay, and how many hundreds of billions of stars are on those galaxies and how many planets there must be, like, for sure.

Brian Keating:
So I. It’s almost irrelevant with Bart thinks, because Joe will just parrot the, you know, pick and choose what Bart said that fits his narrative and try to confirm it. You know, to give him credit, he did try to arrange this debate with me and Bart on his show.

bret weinstein:
I’m really not interested in debating anybody. I would do it as a favor to him unless Lex Friedman asked me to do it, and I agreed to do it with him. But that, to me, is like debating. If the sky is blue, the sky’s blue. We don’t need to debate it. Plus, these people he’s putting up, or Lex would put up, they’re the victims. Well, not the perpetrators, you understand?

Brian Keating:
And Bart refused. Bart was. They’re too scared to debate me. He made up some pretext that I’m a victim of NASA’s brainwashing, which is preposterous. I have many different pieces of evidence against it. So let me just Say the main piece of evidence that Bart claims is the reason that they didn’t go, which is completely illogical. And I think you’ll understand why it’s illogical. He claims that there’s something called the Van Allen radiation.

Brian Keating:
And this is what everybody says, from Kim Kardashian to Candace Owens. She called it like the firmament.

Candace Owens:
And you’re like somebody who’s like, it had to have happened, the moon landing. What you can do is look up. I’m calling this the firmament, but it’s the. What is the belt that the.

Brian Keating:
She’s just such a knucklehead. But anyway, let’s get back to it. So it’s called the Van Allen radiation belt. It’s not the asteroid bell, as you know, Candace has said, or whatever. It’s a region of somewhat moderate to low intensity radiation that is surrounding the Earth. And it’s organized primarily in bands that are more concentrated, like where you’ve seen maybe the aurora borealis, you’ve seen the northern lights. These are phenomena that result from the interaction of charged particles from the sun, the solar wind and space, other sources of space radiation that are charged particles. So this is where the physics starts to come in.

Brian Keating:
A charged particle, like an electron or a proton or an alpha particle, a helium nucleus moving in a magnetic field will experience a force called the Lorentz force. Barthes couldn’t do these calculations to save his life. But we do these all the time. They’re incredibly important in physics. There’s aspects of them that can be treated using quantum mechanics and relativity that I. Again, no way Bert has ever looked into this. He’s looking at. And they were discovered by this.

Brian Keating:
NASA funded. This is important. A NASA funded research study in the 1950s by a scientist named Van Allen. His last name was Van Allen. And so he discovered. So NASA discovered this, this book. Let’s assume it’s potentially dangerous. I mean, they do.

Brian Keating:
And it has some slight amount of danger associated with it, as all things do when you’re off the surface of the Earth. The question is, could this prevent them from going to the moon? So Bart assumes that this is this, this lethal layer of space radiation which will essentially, according to him, instantaneously kill human beings if they’re exposed to it, which is complete nonsense. Even people at Hiroshima exposed to massive, you know, much more, thousands of times the lethal dose didn’t die instantly unless they were in the actual blast zone a few kilometers away from. From the actual blast zone. They lived for hours. And it was probably agonizing, but they didn’t die. Nobody dies instantly. And that’s important because the Van Allen belts have a certain thickness to them.

Brian Keating:
They have what’s called a density profile. All of this Bart ignores. He just assumes that, like, it’s a solid layer, like a lead shield, but it’s full of, like, uranium, and if you touch it, you’ll die, you’ll fry, your old DNA will be destroyed and you’ll die instantly.

James Altucher:
And so why does he say that? Like, maybe this is even a step back? Like, why is he doing this? Is it just for media attention?

Brian Keating:
He hates NASA. No, he hates NASA. He apparently says that he was a true believer and an evangelist for NASA. I don’t know when, because the only time he’s ever been in the public eye was when he like, got punched out by, by Buzz Aldrin and would go to, like, astronauts homes and scream at them and their widows and do like. He’s never. I can’t find any footage of him. Maybe it exists, but I haven’t personally been able to find any footage, you know, earnestly trumpeting, say, before and then afterwards when he becomes an apostate and an enemy of nas. I’ve never seen any evidence of him in the before times when he was an evangelist.

Brian Keating:
I’ve only seen where he’s an apostate, where he hates NASA.

James Altucher:
I mean, what’s his background? Like, what, what. Why does.

Brian Keating:
He is a filmmaker.

James Altucher:
So he’s a filmmaker. But because of this, though, like, he makes films about this.

Brian Keating:
Yeah, I mean, look it up. Yeah, we could look up what else he did. I mean, he’s irrelevant, you know, what, what he did before that. I mean, he makes a lot of. Yeah, he appears on podcasts, he gets a lot of attention, he’s done some documentaries, but he’s kind of a gadfly, you know, he likes to, he likes to poke at NASA. And again, I, I’m still open, willing, I treat him respectfully if he came on my show or if he came on Joe Rogan show or Lex Friedman, also Lex Friedman, I think, asked him to go on his podcast and debate me. And he just, for some reason he doesn’t want to. His main piece of.

Brian Keating:
He’s got a couple pieces of main evidence, and some of that Joe Rogan will parrot back. But most of it is reliant on what he claims are the physical and biophysical limitations to human traversing the distance between the moon and the Earth.

James Altucher:
And what’s his evidence that the Van Allen radiation belt would be so radioactive that it would Kill, you know, rockets going to the moon, and any rockets going into space have heat shields so they can come back in. They’re to some extent impervious to a high amount of radiation, as we know. So what’s evidence that this radiation belt is so intense that it would kill anybody crossing through it?

Brian Keating:
So his argument is that these papers from NASA, he finds, like, one paper, which he claims from NASA that speaks about the level of radiation. But he’s a selective synthesis. He’s only reading to get the aspects that he claims are complete slam dunks that you couldn’t even set one inch into these Van Allen radiation belts. And in reality, you know, when you think about the atmosphere, James, it’s not like a solid layer of constant density, just our Earth’s atmosphere, okay? It has an exponential decay. The amount of oxygen here at the surface of the Earth in Florida and San Diego and Atlanta is essentially twice as much oxygen as I feel when I go to 18,000ft in Chile to go to the Simons Observatory. That level of, of atmospheric pressure is about half the atmosphere. That’s why we were oxygen. So.

Brian Keating:
But if you go between 18,000ft and 36,000ft, it goes basically to zero. Even though you’ve doubled it, it doesn’t go linearly. It goes exponentially, declines, but it never goes to zero. There’s no such thing as, like, zero atmosphere. There’s particles of the Earth’s atmosphere that extend tens of thousands of miles into space. And certainly things like the Earth’s magnetic field extend into space, but they typically have either a 1 over r squared falloff or they have an exponentially decaying fall off. So, too, do these radiation belts. They truly exist.

Brian Keating:
Anyone who’s ever seen Aurora, they know that they exist. Now, what he’ll claim is that there’s a temperature of these things and that they would fry and melt aluminum, which the spaceships are made of. And then to defeat that, you’d have to make the spaceship so heavy that it could never get off the launch pad. And the proof there is that we haven’t gone back to the moon. He said everything’s gotten easier since the 1960s. Computers have gotten smaller, Cars have gotten faster and better. Everything’s gotten easier since the 1960s. So the proof that we haven’t gone back is proof that we never went in the first place.

Brian Keating:
Because things get easier over time, right, James? It’s. It’s certainly logical if we couldn’t go now. And he claims people like Elon Musk say we can’t go now. But for some reason, Elon’s building a spacecraft to go to Mars. So apparently he thinks he’s smarter than Elon Musk, as does Candace Owens, which is okay.

James Altucher:
But let’s deal with this point, though.

Brian Keating:
That’s fine.

James Altucher:
I think it is so insane to not believe that the moon landing happened. I’m, you know, I don’t think it’s insane.

Brian Keating:
I don’t think he’s insane. No, I’m not saying.

James Altucher:
I’m not saying insane, but I think the idea that I almost question his motives, that’s what I’m saying, is that.

Brian Keating:
I don’t think any motives are clear. He likes attention. He gets a lot of attention from the most famous podcast and media outlet in the world. So he gets that. He goes on, he gets to confront people. I think he feels like he’s suffering from the Stockholm syndrome or something. Like he loved NASA so much, he was of an evangelist. Again, I haven’t found it.

Brian Keating:
Maybe it exists. Maybe Barr can send it to me. Somebody can send it to me, but I haven’t found any. Pro NASA from the before times and then anti NASA, so. So the Van Allen radiation belts, he claims because of that there was no way to go in the 1950s. NASA knew it and so they would never put their astronauts in danger. But he’s also saying that NASA lies all the time, is a corrupt and malevolent organization. Because we haven’t gone back, which is true.

Brian Keating:
We have not gone back since 1973. We went in space many, many other times. We lived in space for hundreds. You know, I’ve talked to Chris Hanfield. You know, he lived on the space station for six months. People stay in space all the time. And the amount of time that you go through the radiation belt to get to the moon, assuming it was. Even if it was a constant thickness and it was the most high dose you could possibly go through, you would still be totally fine.

Brian Keating:
You would be like getting like 100 chest x rays in a year, which is not great. You wouldn’t. But there’s no way you would die the next day. Do you think you’d be able to go to your. I mean, my dentist, the medical tech doesn’t have a bachelor’s degree, and she fires up the X ray machine at my skull. Do you think they would allow her to do that if there was a 1 in 100 chance that I might die from that? Of course not, but.

James Altucher:
Okay, so you’re saying this because you know what the Van Allen radiation.

Brian Keating:
I’m saying assuming the worst Case of the Man Allen Belt, which is in no way massa new. It’s much more dense at the poles. That’s why it’s called the Aurora Borealis. Because boreal means north north Pole. That’s why you see these auroras much more near the North Pole. That’s where the concentration of the Van Allen Belt, the Earth’s magnetic field is much stronger there. The auroras are much brighter. NASA knew that.

Brian Keating:
That’s why they launched from Florida. And they go out near the equator. Where the Van Allen Belts are the most diffuse and the weakest. And they at most would spend less than an hour, perhaps only 45 minutes in it. And this equivalent radiation exposure, according to NASA scientists, including Van Allen himself, is totally harmless. In other words, Bart says that the proof is this Van Allen belt. The guy Van Allen says that Bart’s wrong. The fact that Elon is planning to go to Mars, which you certainly have to go through there, that NASA’s launched many spacecraft through, by the way, this, as you said before, these spacecraft have to go up and come down.

Brian Keating:
So even if it was unoccupied, right. If then they send something around the moon. I mean, we’ve taken pictures. The Chinese have taken pictures of the. Of the Apollo landing sites. The Indians have taken pictures of it. No one would have been happier to prove that we didn’t go than the Soviets. They never once did it.

Brian Keating:
They had their own Soviet space program that impacted the moon the same day as the Apollo 11. Can you imagine, like our arch enemies, that they would say, yeah, we would agree. Instead of exposing us as total frauds during the height of the space race that almost bankrupted that country. That they wouldn’t like, expose the fact that there’s no evidence for people being on the moon. So even if it was empty, let’s say they sent three dummies and they had animatronic robots and they had remote control. The spacecraft, the computer chips on the spacecraft. They could not survive this, according to Bart. In other words, if it’s instantaneously deadly to a human being.

Brian Keating:
It’s instantaneously deadly to a tiny little fragile microchip. And that’s like. One of. That’s his biggest piece of evidence is that it’s so deadly we couldn’t go there in the first place. The second piece of evidence, we haven’t gone back. So none of that’s scientifically valid. Right? The fact that we haven’t gone back doesn’t mean that we didn’t go in the first place. The way I Prove that just on a logical basis.

Brian Keating:
The first person to ever go to the South Pole, where I’ve been twice, was named Roald Amundsen. He was Norwegian. So he arrived in 1911, December 1911. When the next Norwegian to get to the South Pole was James. It was in 1996. Imagine Bart in 1995 saying, oh, we never went to the South Pole because we haven’t gone back in 80 years. It’s so ridiculous. But that’s the same type of logic.

Brian Keating:
So if you believe that, you would have to say that because we didn’t go for 80 years, that we never went in the first place. It’s completely irrational, illogical argument. And that’s one of his best pieces of evidence. And he has other pieces of evidence. So there’s the psychological thing that Joe Rogan brought up. They looked like they were lying or they weren’t being truthful or something like that. The Apollo astronauts. And despite all this, they maintain this ruse and this conspiracy, again, the conspiracy number is extremely high.

Brian Keating:
There was something like hundreds of thousands of people involved in this project. They would all have to keep it secret. And the other countries, including our enemies in China and in Russia, they don’t dispute that we went there. So those are the psychological objections and refutations of these claims, but they make many, many other ones. And they’re just like. A lot of them are just laughable. One of the things Bart says is that the pictures that they took on the moon were, like, impossible. A lot of people like Kim Kardashian and Candace Owens say, look at the flag on the moon.

Brian Keating:
The flag was. Looked like it was waving in the breeze. And this is like one of the dumbest things you could possibly say is an objection. Like, if I was playing devil’s advocate, those aren’t any of the things that I would say to refute the moon landing. I mean, there’s a lot other things, but they’re all circumstantial because it actually occurred.

James Altucher:
Yeah. So, okay, so why does she say this thing about the flag waving?

Brian Keating:
The flag. If you look at the moon that has a flag on it, if you’re watching, it’s like a pole. And then so what they did. They know the moon’s gravity is not zero? Of course it’s not. It’s one sixth of the Earth’s gravity. So it would not stay erect like this. So NASA knew that and knew it had no wind in it. But imagine a flag picture that just looks like, you know, like, here’s.

Brian Keating:
Here’s the Flag, you know, some country that’s pure black. Imagine like this. So there’s just a piece of cloth I’m holding attached to this flagpole. They knew that would look horrible. And of course, they wanted to show American exceptionalism. So they put wires and rods in it to make it permanently stand like this. And actually, some of the spacecraft, you can almost see the shadow of it.

Narrator:
But.

Brian Keating:
So they had these wires and structures in it that were. That held it out rigidly to make it look like it was being blown in the breeze. But you think NASA could launch a rocket, get it to the moon, and then not know that there’s 1/6 the gravity and no atmospheric support for a flag?

James Altucher:
What about the argument. I’ve heard this argument, which is. And it’s ridiculous, but I want to hear your reasoning is that who took the pictures?

Brian Keating:
So they had a tremendous amount of remote control cameras up there. These are like calculations that a freshman in high school could do if they were smart enough to know exactly what the trajectory is going to be, to set up a camera on a single axis mount that’s remote controlled. I mean, we had spy, we had the SR71. We had all these incredible, you know, remote control. Like when the planes would fly over Vietnam, exactly the same time, there wasn’t like a guy with a camera watch, you know, taking pictures. So this is like complete idiocy to think that we don’t have remote controlled cameras that are controlled electronically and can be controlled from. From either the capsule itself or from Houston itself, because there’s only a second and a half delay. It’s more or less in real talk.

Brian Keating:
That’s a completely trivial thing. There was no photographer there to watch it. It was not necessary. The technology existed. But they think it was actually all of it was filmed. And everything was filmed on a soundstage, you know, in. In Burbank. And somehow they maintained that conspiracy, even though Kubrick never would have admitted to that.

Brian Keating:
Nobody has come forward to say that that’s their theory, is that, well, they had to have a backup in case the astronauts died. And the astronauts didn’t die, but then they just used the backup footage. So a lot of Joe’s criticism is about, like, a couple of pieces of NASA PR footage that were put out and, you know, spliced in and other things that are. Again, it may prove that they were clumsy in terms of social media. Sorry, they don’t have, you know, I don’t believe that any of these things are, you know, to a credible person who’s actually going to look at the data to say that this is like, proof that the. One of the greatest, again, I’ll say the greatest accomplishment of humankind, that it didn’t happen. And why does Joe want to believe it? It’s very, very, you know, concerning that this is getting so much attention. Well, and of course, it’s.

Brian Keating:
It’s 100 times harder to refute bullshit than. Than to prove, you know, to just ass.